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Post by thebumfromthedark on Oct 17, 2007 17:11:40 GMT -5
I have a question for all of you concerning the first Rocky/Clubber bout:
Let's say for a moment that Mick was fine... that Clubber hadn't pushed him and he was at ringside and just fine. Do you guys think that Rocky could last until the end of round 2 or 3 or some such to realize that he style isn't working and he needs a new tactic to take Clubber down?
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Post by stevepre on Oct 17, 2007 21:00:57 GMT -5
i don't know if it would have changed much. Apollo said it, he didn't look hungry; he didn't have that "eye of the tiger." But who knows, maybe his whole attitude could have changed. But his training leading up to the fight was still half-hearted. Clubber trained hard in the basement, in the dark, in the heat. But who knows, and sadly, all we can do is imagine. Good question though.
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Post by thebumfromthedark on Oct 17, 2007 21:38:12 GMT -5
He didn't look hungry because he was worried about Mick, though. The match just was not as important as Mick was.
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Post by rocco on Oct 18, 2007 1:58:50 GMT -5
I have a question for all of you concerning the first Rocky/Clubber bout: Let's say for a moment that Mick was fine... that Clubber hadn't pushed him and he was at ringside and just fine. Do you guys think that Rocky could last until the end of round 2 or 3 or some such to realize that he style isn't working and he needs a new tactic to take Clubber down? Hadn't Clubber pushed Mickey guess the dude (Mickey) would have died of heart attack watching the beating Rocky was having in the ring anyway Seriously, of course having Mickey in good shape in his corner instead of him dying in the changing room would have helped Rocky, but the simple truth was that for the first bout he didn't have the stamina, the power and the itch to stand toe to toe with Clubber. Therefore he might have survived another round, but the prophecy "this chump will kill ya inside a three rounds" would have become true anyway. Without the bouncing style to adopt Rocky would have been clueless about changing style, I think that's a fact
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Post by stevepre on Oct 18, 2007 16:32:40 GMT -5
I would have loved to see Rocky 2 against Clubber Lang. That would be neat to see. Two similar boxing styles going toe to toe. Puncher against puncher. Anybody can make a strong arguement against it, but I always thought Rocky was at his best in Rocky 2. I always thought Apollo was his toughest opponent. Apollo may not be the best fighter Rocky fought, Drago takes that position, but Creed was definitely his toughest fight. So take Rocky from Rocky 2 and put him in the same ring with Clubber Lang, Mickey healthy, who wins?
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Post by rocco on Oct 18, 2007 17:02:20 GMT -5
I would have loved to see Rocky 2 against Clubber Lang. That would be neat to see. Two similar boxing styles going toe to toe. Puncher against puncher. Anybody can make a strong arguement against it, but I always thought Rocky was at his best in Rocky 2. I always thought Apollo was his toughest opponent. Apollo may not be the best fighter Rocky fought, Drago takes that position, but Creed was definitely his toughest fight. So take Rocky from Rocky 2 and put him in the same ring with Clubber Lang, Mickey healthy, who wins? The logical path you are showing us would bring us to answer "Rocky II" wins. The truth is that when two dudes with the same boxing style (southpaw's punchers) fight it's the stronger (phisically and in brutal strenght) who has the edge, just like real life showed us in the Foreman-Frazier bout. Clubber hits harder than Rocky and hits 99% of the times to the head of his opponents. He's virtually uncapable of bleeding. In few words: he can't be beaten toe to toe. He can be taken out only by a bouncer. Like Apollo in his prime. Or Rocky III in their rematch. Or, eventually, Drago "Moskow-style". Rocky II would have just gotten up after each and every time he would have been sent to the canvas until he would have gotten killed by a killer hook to the head. That's what I think. Besides, I think Rocky I hit harder than II
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Post by stevepre on Oct 18, 2007 21:15:13 GMT -5
I absolutely agree with you in saying Clubber is seemingly invincible toe-to-toe, and I always thought Rocky I was a bigger puncher than Rocky II. That's what was so vital for him to be fast and bouncy. I would have loved to hear more of Mickey's mindset of Clubber. In the first two films, we knew everything about Apollo and what Rocky was up against. We saw what Apollo and his managers thought of Rocky. That was one of the main reasons I wish Mickey didn't die.
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Post by thebumfromthedark on Oct 18, 2007 21:15:18 GMT -5
I don't think Apollo was his toughest fight. Drago was definitely his toughest fight (Apollo never gave him brain damage ). Apollo was easily the best fighter Rocky fought. Drago didn't fight as well as Apollo... he just just roided up and the most powerful of the opponents.
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Post by rocco on Oct 18, 2007 23:51:03 GMT -5
I don't think Apollo was his toughest fight. Drago was definitely his toughest fight ( Apollo never gave him brain damage ). Apollo was easily the best fighter Rocky fought. Drago didn't fight as well as Apollo... he just just roided up and the most powerful of the opponents. According to RB neither Drago did Or maybe the two nerdy M.D.s in "V" just exaggerated a little bit And sold his medical file to GWD ;D
Apollo was by far the best fighter Rocky fought, but I think you got a chance against a superb fighter who has a boxing style completely different from yours while you don't have any against another which is pretty much your super-beefed upgraded version
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Post by stevepre on Oct 19, 2007 9:08:28 GMT -5
I always believed Apollo was Rocky's toughest opponent but I didn't think Clubber Lang was too far off either. I always took to what Mickey said in Rocky III, "......because the beating that you got from Apollo should'a killed ya, kid," being that Apollo must have been his hardest fight. Maybe that changed because he didn't fight Clubber or Drago yet, I don't know.
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Post by thebumfromthedark on Oct 19, 2007 13:02:37 GMT -5
Well shyeah. "Rocky III" was billed as "The Greatest Challenge" and "Rocky IV" was billed as "The Fight of His Life". Theoretically, Tommy Gunn should have been Rocky's toughest opponent since it was like fighting himself, but that just didn't pan out. Apollo was the greatest fighter, no doubt about it, but he wasn't as tough to beat as Drago.
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Post by rocco on Oct 19, 2007 15:57:08 GMT -5
Apollo was the greatest fighter, no doubt about it, but he wasn't as tough to beat as Drago. You are so right Besides, I don't think Rocky thought about the chance of winning over Drago during the Moscow bout, not even for a moment It was a matter of mere survival, period. I think fictionally-wise when he knocked Drago out in the 15th he couldn't believe he did that
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Post by stevepre on Oct 19, 2007 16:24:04 GMT -5
I don't know. I always thought Rocky's mindset towards Drago was what he told Adrian: "To beat me, he's gonna have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gotta have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's gotta be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that." He's basically saying, if I die, Drago's coming with me. I admired that. He would not let Drago beat him.
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Post by thebumfromthedark on Oct 19, 2007 17:13:55 GMT -5
That's true, but realistically speaking (and I hate talking like that about anything IV-related), he could lose... there are only 15 rounds. Rocky only had 45 minutes to beat Drago. Rocky's like a piece of steel... you keep pounding and pounding it and it doesn't give. So, had he not knocked Drago out, Rocky could have lost.
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Post by 62sg on Oct 19, 2007 19:47:34 GMT -5
After the first round Mickey probably would have screamed some orders and told him to switch styles. Or perhaps would have thrown in the towel.
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