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Post by stevepre on Jul 18, 2007 21:23:34 GMT -5
I always thought this and I'm interested in what you think. I always thought that Clubber Lang had the perfect body for a boxer throughout the series. I thought he had the perfect build for a heavyweight. Apollo I believe was very toned and cut as well, but Apollo looked like what Carl Weathers was, a football player (preferrably a linebacker; which, again, he was). Drago and Rocky did take too much of the weightlifter's build and it looked pretty excessive. I've never seen Ali or Foreman with veins bulging out like that. Clubber seemed to have the perfect body, very reminiscient of Mike Tyson.
What are some of your views on this?
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Post by Mrs B on Jul 19, 2007 3:43:02 GMT -5
Every single time I see Clubber, I am reminded of Mike Tyson. Clubber wasnt as broad around the neck as Tyson was, obviously, but thier builds were similar - as were thier attitudes. If you compare his physique to the other boxers in Rocky then i'll agree with you - yes he does look the most like a real boxer.
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Post by rocco on Jul 19, 2007 10:45:34 GMT -5
Clubber as a fictional boxer was shaped on "a young George Foreman", Sly took as much as he could from real boxing, therefore if Apollo was his interpretation of Ali and Rocky's strategy in the Clubber rematch reminiscent of Ali's "rope a dope" strategy in the "Rumble in the Jungle", Clubber was definitely Sly's vision of young Foreman on the big screen
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Post by roccobalboa on Jul 19, 2007 14:58:54 GMT -5
Before drugs ...... heavyweights looked like Apollo (Ali).
Since then ..... you get guys that are 230 - 250 Lbs.
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Post by rocco on Jul 23, 2007 9:07:22 GMT -5
Before drugs ...... heavyweights looked like Apollo (Ali). Since then ..... you get guys that are 230 - 250 Lbs. unfortunately I think you are somehow right
I mean, heavyweights used to be somewhere around 220lbs before all that junk beefed them up to an average of 250
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Post by stevepre on Jul 23, 2007 12:22:11 GMT -5
yup. When Joe Frazier fought Ali in their first fight, he was around 205 pounds, whereas Ali was around 212. You could even go up to Evander Holyfield's marks coming up from cruiserweight and he was around the same weight as Frazier. Tyson himself was only around 220. Either steroids are involved, or fighters are just getting fatter ;D
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Post by rocco on Jul 24, 2007 4:37:04 GMT -5
yup. When Joe Frazier fought Ali in their first fight, he was around 205 pounds, whereas Ali was around 212. You could even go up to Evander Holyfield's marks coming up from cruiserweight and he was around the same weight as Frazier. Tyson himself was only around 220. Either steroids are involved, or fighters are just getting fatter ;D recently I watched Oliver McCall trashing another heavyweight in a boxing match, man the dude is somewhere around 260lbs, he wasn't this big when he had the title belt around his waist!
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Post by rocco on Jul 25, 2007 5:47:44 GMT -5
BTW this www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5tbcSKly18 is why Sly always said that Clubber Lang was modelled on a young George Foreman that fight in the link is soooooooo close to the first Rocky-Clubber installment
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Post by stevepre on Jul 25, 2007 8:24:18 GMT -5
it does look like the first fight!!
Like Foreman, Clubber would take his man's punches early in the fight to feel him out before landing some of his own devatating blows. Unfortunately for Rocky, when he did throw those punches, that was all she wrote. Sadly I was almost brought to tears watching that. Along with Evander Holyfield, Joe Frazier was my favorite boxer ever.
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Post by rocco on Jul 26, 2007 4:16:14 GMT -5
it does look like the first fight!! Like Foreman, Clubber would take his man's punches early in the fight to feel him out before landing some of his own devatating blows. Unfortunately for Rocky, when he did throw those punches, that was all she wrote. Sadly I was almost brought to tears watching that. Along with Evander Holyfield, Joe Frazier was my favorite boxer ever. Smokin' Joe had the guts to recover from such horrific knockout to beat the hell out of The Greatest in their third match "Thrilla in Manila", which he lost but gaining Ali's respect for good
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Post by stevepre on Jul 26, 2007 7:14:51 GMT -5
Rounds 6-11 Joe came out Somkin' and beat the hell out of Ali. Some of the punches he threw........I still wonder how Ali could still have a head!!
Sadly, I think Frazier was Taylor-made for Foreman. Frazier always tried to get inside his opponent and have his head on their chest, but Foreman was too strong and often knocked Joe off balance when pushing him back, thus making it easier to swing at. Ali hung on the rope where Foreman had no choice but to be the aggressor.
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Post by rocco on Jul 26, 2007 7:22:55 GMT -5
Rounds 6-11 Joe came out Somkin' and beat the hell out of Ali. Some of the punches he threw........I still wonder how Ali could still have a head!! Sadly, I think Frazier was Taylor-made for Foreman. Frazier always tried to get inside his opponent and have his head on their chest, but Foreman was too strong and often knocked Joe off balance when pushing him back, thus making it easier to swing at. Ali hung on the rope where Foreman had no choice but to be the aggressor. You are 100% right, I think that despite the loss in the Foreman title defense Smoking Joe had the courage of a true lion to go out there and boxe his usual way with a taller, heavier and more powerful opponent like George was. I still recall how James Bonecrusher Smith lost to Tyson for the Heavyweight title unification in the mid eighties: he avoid fighting the whole 15 rounds to bring his ass safe back home obviously losing by unanimous decision. Let's just say that Joe Frazier was truly a REAL heavyweight champion.
I would have paid to see him in the top of his shape against The Greatest before he was stripped of the title by refusing to go to Vietnam........
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Post by stevepre on Jul 26, 2007 17:31:14 GMT -5
A lot of people fought tyso like that ;D. And then there were those who actually thought they stood a chance, only to have their nose broke after the first round and the fight being over by the second.
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Post by rocco on Aug 16, 2007 10:18:13 GMT -5
A lot of people fought tyso like that ;D. And then there were those who actually thought they stood a chance, only to have their nose broke after the first round and the fight being over by the second. BTW Big George Foreman recently told the press it took 10 (TEN!) years to recover the KO he got in Kinshasha from The Greatest. I like to think we never heard of Clubber again in the Rocky saga 'cause it happened pretty much the same to him after his defeat in the III rematch It would be full circle, Clubber modelled on a young George Foreman, Clubber wiped out psicologically like Foreman in the "after Ali" period of his career. Curious that Ali's management didn't even think for a second about a rematch with big George ;D I just think they thought that winning a bet against all odds was brave enough
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Post by stevepre on Aug 16, 2007 17:07:07 GMT -5
Very true. Foreman was never the same fighter after that fight. In an interview he had on 60 minutes, Foreman actually said, "I wish I had died in that ring that night, because I could have gotten up." He also said that fight also broke him down spiritually as well, which then caused him to become a preacher.
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